[E146] Can Emotional Brain Training Help You Overcome Stress and Find True Fulfillment?

In this episode, Jennifer sits down with Dr. Laurel Mellin, a health psychologist and UCSF professor, to explore Emotional Brain Training (EBT) a groundbreaking method for stress relief and emotional well-being. Dr. Mellin explains how early trauma can wire the brain for chronic stress, leading to burnout, overeating, and disconnection. EBT helps rewire these circuits, shifting the brain from high-stress states to calm, connected ones. Backed by science, EBT improves mental health, relationships, and even supports weight loss. With small groups, app tools, and coaching, this integrative approach stands apart from traditional therapy. Rewire your brain for a happier, healthier life.

Jennifer: Hey, hey, a brand-new episode of the Happy Productive Podcast is about to begin. It’s time to be inspired by simple and actionable solutions for you and your business. If you’re an established entrepreneur, or just laying down the first brick of your future empire, the mantra is the same. We will flip any failure into a positive and use it to our advantage. This show is all about turning coal into diamonds. With the right plan and mindset, anything is possible.

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Jennifer: Hey, everybody, welcome to a new episode of the Happy Productive Podcast. I know you are going to love this episode. So buckle in and we’re going to dive in with Laurel Mellon. Laurel, welcome to the show today.

Dr. Lauren: I’m so happy to be here, Jennifer. Thanks.

Jennifer: Yes. So, Laurel is the founder of Emotional Brain Training, a neuroscience method for treating behavioral health problems, obesity, disorder eating, chronic diseases and if you’re a business owner, we’ll just lump us into that category too, because heaven knows us business owners have all kinds of things going on.
Laurel, would you mind just taking a quick minute and just tell us a little bit about how did you come to be doing this work of Emotional Brain Training?

Dr.Lauren: Well, you know, I’d actually like to hear from your, your viewers and listeners too, because I think everybody has a story of how did I get here anyway. I actually started as a faculty member at the University of California, San Francisco, and I was studying interdisciplinary health and trying to figure out how to get the root cause. It was first obesity and that obesity has the same root cause as that depression and anxiety and all the other problems that we have, chronic diseases and I had my own problems with depression. I had my own problems with eating and I knew that the cognitive approaches that are used and still use, we have to think differently. You have to change your behavior.

We’re simply not working and so I went to the literature, you know, I’m a scientist. So I go to the literature and it turns out that there was a study published in 1940 that showed that if you emotionally connect, what happens is your whole brain and body change physiologically and I could see in the clinic, people who had used these and I basically developed skills of emotional connectivity thinking they’d probably work, but of course didn’t know and what happened was boom, all of a sudden, these people are coming to me and saying, I don’t know what’s going on, but I, you know, I’m not overeating anymore.
I’m not doing this and that anymore and that was, was so many years ago, 30 years ago and I just knew that I would be a bad person if I didn’t find the root cause of what was going on and then how these tools, these simple emotional tools were changing people’s lives very quickly and that’s what I’ve done for the last 45 years and at this point, we’re really in joy right now because the science is showing that EBT should be replacing cognitive behavioral therapy because cognitive methods do not deal effectively with the level of stress that everyone’s in, particularly business owners, but all of us, because the speed of change, you know, information overload, all the temptations and so what we know is that you have to use not the cognitive pathways in the brain, but the emotional resiliency pathways and we now have an app and a program which is now served more than 500,000 people, which should be in everyone’s back pocket because it gives immediate and lasting results. It changes your brain state in the moment, your chemicals you can feel in your body changing, getting rid of those stress chemicals with all the inflammation and it activates joy chemicals and that means optimal physiologies.

When you feel in the flow state, you’re going to make your best decisions. You’re going to connect with people in a different way and it does that and you essentially, it’s a pathway out of what I consider when I’m in stress overload, I feel like I’m in hell and when you use these emotional pathways in your brain, everybody’s got them. They’re your greatest resource, but you have to strengthen those pathways and as you strengthen them, you more naturally get from a stressed-out state to feeling in that state of connection and that’s what we do with EBT, but mainly it’s you use the same pathways. If you target a problem you don’t like, whether it’s I get depressed, I get anxious, I get stuck, I start blaming myself. I’m perfectionistic. I get so confused and over.

Whatever you want to complain about, when you complain about it, the circuit that’s causing it in your brain, in your amygdala opens up like a flower. The synaptic connections between the neurons are essentially fluid. So, you can actually imprint a new memory that replaces the old memory or a new circuit. In other words, it replaces the old one. So, the major benefit of this that keeps me going is that people can say, this is bothering me. Stop blaming themselves. Know it’s a circuit. Use these emotional resilience pathways and they don’t try to change the behavior or the depression or the anxiety or the eating or the spending, or we’re just getting so angry because everything’s so terrible. Essentially, they use the tools until they rewire the circuit and they know they’ve rewired the circuit when they automatically stop doing what they wish they would stop doing. And that to me is about power.

Jennifer: That is about power. And especially, this is one of the things that in my coaching, we work on a lot because you’re you’re talking my language, Laurel. And I love all this. I love the brain retraining and I love fixing things at the core root level so that now the behavior naturally aligns with where we want to be instead of trying to force ourselves into change. As we all know, it’s very difficult and often doesn’t last. And so can you go back a step though, and explain for those of us who are new here and they haven’t studied the brain and neuroplasticity and these kinds of things? And so can you just break it down a little bit? Like, what is the difference? You mentioned like, the cognitive versus the emotional resilience, like, what are the what are those differences? And how are those different?

Dr.Lauren: Beautifully said. Okay. So, what we have been using for the last 60 years since cognitive behavioral therapy came out, is we believe the basic belief is that if you can think it, you can make it happen. You’re going to use your thinking brain, which right behind you, your forehead is your prefrontal cortex, and you’re going to rule the universe.

We now know that that is ludicrous, because it’s actually lower in your brain, what’s called the emotional brain that controls what we do. And it does it in a split second. It can the circuits in what’s called the amygdala, which is the storehouse of all of our life experience, which is in the unconscious mind, which you cannot get into the unconscious mind by thoughts, you have to step over that thinking brain barrier, and get into emotions, and use specific skills to change it. So, when I go out and I say, why did I make that expenditure? Or why did I speak that way to an employee? Or, or why wasn’t I more assertive in what I was doing? Or why was I so passive? Or why was I trying too over please or whatever? We do it because a circuit in our amygdala is a little haywire and all of us have some of these memories from the past, often, often from early childhood, that how things should be and we keep on replaying the same thing over and over again and these circuits in the emotional brain, when the amygdala activate chemicals in every cell of our body, our thoughts do not directly affect the chemicals, and the electricity, and the inflammation, the emotional brain circuits do and this is important.

The reason it’s important is that when we do something that we wish we hadn’t done, the first thing we do is blame ourselves and then after we feel really bad about it, we distract ourselves to something else. So, we never solve the problem. We keep doing the same thing over and over again. Well, the first thing I want anyone listening to this or watching this to know, is that up until now, you don’t have a direct way to control the circuits in your brain and these circuits go off without our knowledge or awareness. It’s not our fault and typically, the things that we do we wish we didn’t do, are fueled by fight or flight chemicals. So, when someone will say they’re overeating, and they say, why did I eat that? and what I say to them is, it’s not you, it’s a circuit and when that circuit gets activated, what it does is it makes your thinking brain offline, because you’re in stress and it fills you with these terrible emotions, you’re numb, or you’re anxious, or you’re depressed, or you’re panicked, or whatever, these emotions that are not easily broken down. Okay, we get stuck in these emotions. What we have learned at the University of California, San Francisco, where we developed this method, is that those stuck emotions, it doesn’t matter whether there’s anxiety, depression, hostility, numbness, whatever it is,  the same pathway in the brain, the same tool will dismantle those terrible feelings that get us blocked, and spiral us up to our best brain state, which is in a state of connection and joy, where we make good decisions, are loving and kind, and really can connect with people. So, the reason that we use emotional brain training is because the thoughts don’t control our biochemistry, our emotional circuits do. And when you switch off those emotional circuits, chemicals that drive us to get depressed, or anxious, or make those bad decisions, or overeat, drink, spend, or take drugs, is in the emotional brain. So, we can solve many of these problems that society now says are not solvable.

They’re really just circuits in the emotional brain, everyone has some. And so it’s a basic life skill to be able to not blame ourselves, focus on that circuit, and then essentially reprogram it.

Jennifer: Yeah. Oh, I love this so much and so I have learned that the conscious mind can process 2000 bits of information per second, while the subconscious mind can process 400 billion bits of information per second and so, the difference between the power really in your conscious mind versus your subconscious, like this makes so much sense to me that if you can start to tap into that subconscious, that’s really where so much of your power lies to get rid of these things that are driving us crazy on a day to day basis. So that being said, okay, let’s break it down business owners, like all my business owner peeps out there right now. I know all of you are thinking of some things that come up for you of just like, wow, this is really bothering me. That’s really bothering me. So, let’s dive down into where can emotional brain training help in some of the common things that business owners face, I will happily volunteer myself as a guinea pig here, Laurel. So, I’ll tell you, here’s one of the things that I do that drives me crazy. At the end of the day, when I’ve worked a long day, if I am tired, like if it was an eight or a 10 or a 12-hour work day, at the end of the day, my healthy eating goes out the window, I don’t want to cook, I don’t want to do anything, I want to like go eat some comfort food and be done and then what happens is then I go, man, I wish I hadn’t eaten that I, you know, fell off my diet, I don’t feel as good when I eat that unhealthier food. But I’ve noticed that my shorter work days, I have the willpower, and I’m good. My longer work days, I don’t, so can emotional brain training help with something like this, right? I’m just saying it, I’m just so tired at the end of a work day, a long day, you know, if I have a six-hour day, no big deal. But a 10 like today, today, I started at seven, I won’t be done till six,  it’s 11 hours. And so by the end of this day, I already know like, I’m not gonna go eat my vegetables, I’m gonna be like, just order a pizza, I don’t want to think about it anymore. So how does can emotional brain training help with things like this?

Dr. Lauren: I just there’s a man who’s in EBT, we do telephone groups in EBT, because you combine the scientific skills with being with other people and oh, that’s when it goes, it gets really fun and also works faster. He’s a business owner. And he was saying to me, Laurel, this is what I do. I sit there at my computer; I work all day and then I either go and munch. Or what I do is I at the end of the day, I just essentially lose it and eat. And I said to him, the app you have in the group you’re in, so you learn from us EBT provider how to do this. I mean, you’re you are rewiring your unconscious mind. It’s no little thing and so, I said, the first thing you’re going to do is use EBT.

There’s five different levels of stress in your brain. When you’re at brain state one, that’s where you’re not going to have that drive to overeat, you’re not going to have those chemicals that are driving it. That’s when you feel joy and great and flow to that a little bit further, maybe above your eyebrows. That’s the area that’s in charge and it gets worse as it goes down, believe me and that’s brain state two.
You’re still you know, being able to connect with yourself. Once you get to your cheekbone, you’re feeling a little stressed and you’re in something completely different than what’s called homeostasis is allostasis and so you’re starting to create out of control, you’re getting scattered and then you get down to four definitely stress where you feel stuck and then five definitely stress the reptilian brains in charge and you’re going to do anything you have to do to get to feel better no matter what it is and you have absolutely no energy. Okay. So, the first thing is you wake up in the morning and remember, now that you have EBT, there’s a different skill, slightly different skill for each of the five brain states that break down those negative emotions, stop the flow of those biochemicals that make us on edge, and spiral you up to joy. So, you can literally get to that joy state. It’s, it’s not like happy, happy, happy, it’s connected. It’s in flow, it’s a purpose, it’s very productive, best decision-making. So, you wake up in the morning, you say to yourself, what am I doing with my day anyway? And you’ve got a long list, right? But you know that everything’s going to go well if you’re spending more moments of the day at brain state one and less at five. So, you say to yourself, I am creating joy in my life. That’s what I’m going to do.

When I’m not in joy, I’m going to reach for my app, maybe call my, my group mates on, on our system. And I’m going to use those skills and get back to joy. That is called self-regulation. So, you’d start doing that. Now, this man was just starting. He wasn’t going to do any of the deeper work with EBT to rewire its first. He just says, I’m just going to feel good now. So, feel good in the moment. So, he started doing that. It takes about a minute to two minutes and he noticed that he stopped overeating. And he called me for a coaching session and he says, what’s going on? I’ve stopped overeating. I’ve worked, I’ve had an eating problem since I was seven years old and I said, it’s biochemical.

The circuits in your brain are causing you to overeat because of the biochemicals and you’ve just switched off the biochemicals. So, he’s now been in EBT for eight weeks and he’s losing weight at the level of three to four pounds a week effortlessly. Now that’s what we do with EBT.

However, he did more than just use it for momentary self-regulation. He went to a group and what we do is you say, you choose your problem. What problem are you doing that you don’t like doing? and he chose food for his first one. Most people have four of these circuits and he went in using the same tools in a much more precise way and what I mean is you actually, by using the skill really quickly, you find the actual message in your brain that is driving you to do it. Like I get my love from stuffing myself with food or I get my safety from carbohydrates in large amounts, but it doesn’t matter what the words are. It matters that the words in your thinking brain match the message in your powerful emotional brain that are turning on these chemicals. Once you have those words, you can use EBT and you crush the circuit. You evaporate the circuit. So that’s what he did. So, the minute he did that, where he knew that he didn’t have food as an issue, it just stops. It’s like a love affair that’s over. It stops because you are giving yourself through EBT dopamine, internal dopamine. So, for you, Jennifer, if you use EBT throughout the day, you would still be feeding yourself this dopamine all day. You would essentially be chemically rewarded on the inside by your brain and it is lasting. And if you don’t do that, the brain demands reward. It doesn’t take any prisoners and it will cause you to do something from the external source that also not only works in the short term, but unfortunately, external dopamine, including from food, gives you an abnormal high that is always followed by an abnormal low. If you use EBT, you get that beautiful sine wave of feeling great without the lows afterwards. So essentially, you’d come in, start saying, oh, I’m just going to spiral up throughout the day, you know, get, turn off the stress, get to joy. It takes a minute or two.

This is really cool. And then you’re going to get serious about it and choose a circuit like food and until the love affair is over; it is effortless to eat healthy because essentially you have deactivated the eight major chemicals that cause overeating and weight gain. So, stress induce eight chemicals to go haywire and what happens is people are using weight loss drugs now, which you can do if you want, but weight loss drugs give you one chemical, whereas eight are the problem and they don’t train your brain to automatically deliver that, that say, so you’re going to be on those drugs for life. Why do that when you can train your brain to give yourself those chemicals naturally?

Jennifer: Oh, I love this so much. It’s interesting. I had seen, this was a few years back, I’d seen a David Letterman and I remember him talking about, um, he had a drinking problem and what he would do is, you know, he’d go into his day and he’d work and do a show and do all these things. and at the end of this long, hard day, he felt like he deserved a reward. That’s exactly what you just said of like this reward. Right and for him, his reward was alcohol and the way that he, I guess, stopped with the drinking problem was he started, he started realizing that, you know, that was faulty thinking and that he didn’t really deserve this quote reward of alcohol at the end of the day and as I watched the episode, I remember thinking, gosh, there’s, that goes on within me too, of, I literally work my hard day and then I think I deserve a reward and that reward is going to be whatever dinner that I didn’t have to cook and it’s usually food that I really know better and it doesn’t make me feel good to eat. So I love how you’re talking about literally turning these things off, but you’re fixing it at the core, which is a huge part of my coaching. It’s like solve the problem at the source, not doing a band aid of, you know, taking a weight loss drug or some sort of band aid to fix a symptom. You’re actually fixing it at the core and when you fix it there, the behavior then lines up.

Dr. Lauren: It does, but there’s something very wonderful about the emotional brain in that it is the seat of the soul and so those of us who have small businesses know how hard we work and how sometimes it just feels like we’re being ground down, you know what I mean? Could one more bad things happen? and I want to share with you the most common scenario we have in emotional brain training when people go through the program.

The program takes, you know, takes six, eight months, sometimes a year to essentially change the set point of your brain from being in stress, more like the reptilian brain’s in charge, to having the top of your brain in charge where there’s joy. So, it’s automatic.

The whole point is to make it automatic. So, it’s effortless. So, you have more energy. But can I tell you about this common scenario? In my groups, the most common situation is people are between the ages of, let’s say 45 and 65 and what’s happened to them is almost universal and what’s happened is early in life, they really didn’t get the nurturing and the limits and the support that they needed and right now, 60% to 70% of people are insecurely attached because there’s so much stress. People can’t connect to themselves, process their emotions and get back to that joy state and what they’ve done is these people are very successful. And they’re very hard workers, successful, hard workers and smart and so when other people had environments that weren’t quite right growing up so that they got neglected or abused, they had trauma, or, you know, just there wasn’t a good connection between parent and child. So, the kid’s brain gets a little bit stressed out. A lot of people just go and do whatever they’re going to do. But these people chose to be successful. What they did is they worked hard and they took that hard work ethic and what they did is they became very successful in their life, in terms of education, in terms of it could be money, it could be, you know, productivity, they are hard workers and it worked pretty well up until a point. Because what caused them to be able to cope so well, and this is important, is something called survival circuits. A survival circuit is the main problem in the United States and worldwide. These circuits are stress circuits, encoded in the amygdala that everyone’s got them and for me, it started off with depression and, and food, but essentially, this is how they’re formed. Sometime, particularly early in life, but also later, we’re really stressed out. So, imagine a fight or flight circuit going like this, you know, like you’re saying, just going crazy.

Whatever we do, when we’re in that fight or flight mode, that little circuit, whether it’s getting depressed, or getting anxious, or eating or drinking, or whatever that is, that little circuit combines with fight or flight. If we don’t emotionally process it that day after this occurs, we have therefore encoded a survival drive to repeat the same pattern, so that the pattern is, is fueled by fight or flight chemicals and that’s why we can’t stop it. It’s not our fault. So, what EBT specializes in is rewiring survival circuits. So, what happens with these people is they apply there’s, they’ve all these circuits like being perfect, I get my survival from being perfect. I get my survival from never, never hurting anyone’s feelings. I get my survival from doing everything so perfectly that I can’t imagine doing anything. So, all these survival drives, there were good coping mechanisms early in life and particularly when you’re starting a business, because as you know, you get a business off the ground, you have to work yourself into the ground, right? Okay, so these worked really well. But then right at this point, somewhere between 40 and 65, let’s say, all of a sudden, they notice that they’re successful, or they’re working hard, but they’re not happy. Because work can give you satisfaction, but it can’t give you that sweet spot of connection that enables you to heal trauma, to have deep loving relationships, to, to connect to the spiritual connection, whatever we decide that is inside and so, we fall to using various other excesses that end up causing us health problems.

These people come in to an EBT support group, where I’m teaching them these tools, and everybody’s inspiring each other. And they can get their set point up in three months to the point they have health changes in six months, it’s natural, and as they want to continue it so that their set point is solidly at that one state, they can go for a whole year. But these people have transformation in the first couple of months. For one reason, the brain only changes with experience. If you don’t use the skills to spiral up to joy, I don’t care what knowledge, insight, planning or decision making you have, you’re not going to be happy, you’re not going to change your brain. So, they put apply the heart the work ethic to using EBT, like I was telling you with this man, he comes in. And so now he’s already wearing his food circuit, he comes to the support group on the telephone, it’s all anonymous. And now he’s working on his anxiety circuit and he already also rewired his relationship circuit. Relationships are extremely sensitive to stress. So, we have four areas in EBT we work on. We work on weight, we work on addiction, we work on trauma, and we work on relationships. But by far, there’s two that bother people the most.

People don’t like being out of control of their food and EBT is the only program other than weight loss surgery that’s been shown in peer reviewed research journals to produce lasting weight loss after treatment ends because essentially it goes to the root cause, which is the circuits in the brain. So, what he really cared about this man was love. He says, I have relationships and I lose my boundary and then people take advantage of me and then I feel discouraged and then I distance from people. And he says, I’m at a point in my life where what I really want is an enduring, deep relationship that’s meaningful and authentic, where you can have a loving connection, sexual, sensual pleasure, and have a belly laugh with this person because you have a deep relationship. You can’t acquire that. You can only earn it by using the resiliency pathways in your brain, because that’s a multilayered experience that requires you to connect to the deepest part of yourself, to your spiritual and emotional core of meaning in your life, to have self-love and know that you can give love, but you will stop short of abusing or neglecting yourself. You’ll have a boundary and without that boundary, other people do take advantage of us.

They don’t grow, learn, change, and grow and so, their relationship becomes rather boring or dead and so those are the four reasons, but essentially people stay with rewiring four circuits. He did the food. He’s going to do the mood. He did the love circuit and typically a work circuit because a lot of that, those circuits are the ways that we performed as children or got attention as children come out in our work.

Jennifer: Yeah. Oh, my goodness. This all resonates. I am definitely in the hard work category. That is how I survived my childhood and it’s interesting to me how, so my, my normal home life had a lot of stress, a lot of abuse and I would go to my grandparent’s house over the summers and that was just so idyllic. Like I love my grandparents so much and my grandmother would make us these just amazing healthy foods, a little bit, not healthy, but mostly really healthy. But I remember just like being there and food was such a comfort when we were at our grandparents’ house and we were safe for the summer and food was such a comfort and then you’d go back into the stress of your day to day and then, and the way I overcame that was I was a hard worker and that was just literally like, I don’t know how else to get in a result other by other than getting in there and working hard. But there’s a point I’m 51 where you get tired and you’re just like, I can’t work like this anymore. I’ve got to figure out like how to find that more of that balance. But the struggle of, you know, trying to find the balance and then it works one day, it doesn’t work the next day. It sounds like EBT is just a really great way to, to program, reprogram yourself so that way you can solve these issues and they don’t keep coming back.

Dr. Lauren: So, what you just said was so brilliant because if you use your thinking brain to figure out what you should do during your day and how you’re going to do your lists or whatever, it’s inherently flawed because the emotional brain is so much more sensitive to find out what you really need. So, for example, if you have a list of things to do and you know, you should do it. So, you’re using your thinking brain, you have to work hard and essentially every single day in every situation and every relationship are different and so, you’re going to miss the mark. All you have to do with EBT is relax and trust. Our genes are so amazing with these resiliency pathways. You have these pathways; you just need to get in the habit. It’s EBT as a practice of using them. So, the difference is you would wake up in the morning and you would look at that list and then you’d say, I’m going to get to brain state one, process your emotions, which means you process your, your nasty stress chemicals. So, you’re back to flow state.

When you’re in flow state, you go forward and then what happens is when you’re not in flow state anymore, you say, well, this isn’t working for me. You reach for your app and you get back to flow state. Now I will tell you a story about me. I was a single parent for many years. I had three children. I had the emotional brain training business at that time. Plus, I was a full-time faculty member. So, you can imagine I was pretty busy and what I would do is go on these work trips and I go and give talks around the country and come back. I usually go for five days and then come back, but I’d always be on a book deadline and so what I would do at first is I would just get up the next morning after a trip, totally exhausted, go to my computer and start writing until I realized garbage in and garbage out.

If my brain state isn’t one, in other words, in that joy state, although I feel really happy for myself because of my work circuit is telling me I have to get everything done. I’ve got to meet my deadline, the material I produce is not going to make it. So, what I do, and many, many business people do this who are EBTers, is if they have a meeting or if they are about to do something and they’re not at one, they go to the restroom and in one moment they clear those chemicals from their brain, they get back to one where they can empathize, they can think their best thoughts. We have this wonderful resource of these resiliency pathways with EBT, why not use them? Yeah.

Jennifer: Oh, I love it so much. I really do love this stuff. Like obviously my podcast is called Happy Productive and it is about that internal state and then that’s going to drive our natural productivity. So, I just love it so much. I know everybody who’s listening is like, okay, Laurel, I’m sold. What do I do? Okay. How does somebody get started with EBT?

Dr. Lauren: It is so easy, It is so easy. So the person I just described to you who they wake up at 45 or 55 or 65 and they say, there’s something missing here.

You know, I’m working, I’m wearing myself out. They at that point need to actually rewire some circuits, learn how to use those resiliency pathways and raise the emotional set point in their brain. So, their new norm, their new habit of their brain is to be at one and a little two, still go down and back and forth, but they snap back automatically. If you want to go to therapy and do that, it will take you 10 years and each visit is expensive. If you use EBT, it will take you three months to feel great. As I said, six months and then the whole program is one year to raise the set point of your brain, the most important thing you’re going to do and it’s inexpensive. Essentially, you go to our website, which is EBT, like emotionalbraintraining.org, and you sign up for a support group. We know from our research at the University of Kentucky and also UCSF that the scientific tools of EBT, even though they’re in the app, if you don’t, if you’re not having fun doing it, if you’re not with other people that are saying, hey, I’m going to rewire that circuit, you know, everyone’s learning how to rewire their emotional brain and they say, how do you do it? Teach me whatever.

If you don’t have a group, the tools will be there. You will not use them with the frequency and the depth that make a medical impact. And this method has a medical impact and so we only offer the support group. It is essentially you go into your group, there’ll be only five other people. It’s telephone, so you can do it from the car or anywhere else and these these people act like a family and they’re all learning how to rewire and they’re inspiring each other and then between sessions, there’s a confidential phone line so that if you want to use the tools for it only takes five minutes, you have someone to listen to you. So essentially, you just move through the program.

There’s just videos and you start rewiring circuits and you stay with it until you have all the rewards of a purposeful life and you say, I don’t have issues or problems. I just have a lot of joy and a lot of freedom. So, you go to the EBT.org, sign up for a group and we’ll take care of the rest. We have a whole team there that makes it easy and safe and life changing.

Jennifer:  I love this and Laurel, you mentioned that you had some books. Would you mind sharing information about where people can find your books as well?

Dr. Lauren: Sure. Thank you. I’m actually a New York Times bestselling author. The early days of EBT were Oprah gave us some help. I was on Oprah three times and we got some bestsellers out of it. The current best, if you’re a scientist or you’re a person that really wants to understand what’s going on in your brain when you’re overeating and how to fix it, there’s a new book called One, Two, Three Joy, Easy, Lasting Weight Loss. It’s scientific, proven and fun. And I want to emphasize this. One of the things, there’s a lot of health professionals because we want all health professionals to be trained in EBT. If you’re going to a therapist or a physician or a nutritionist, check if there’s EBT certified, because we want everyone to have these skills. But the point is that in this work, if you just take a moment and appreciate that on the day you were born, you had all the inherent strength, goodness and wisdom to solve the problem you’re dealing with, whether it was a marriage problem, an economic problem, an addiction problem, a weight problem, all you really required were the skills to access it and these skills are scientifically based and proven and once you start using them, the first month you will say, it’s like learning a new language. I don’t know. I don’t know and after the second month you say, oh my gosh, how could I live without it? So, I really suggest if you want to learn the science, go get the book. But once you go to EBT.org, we give you everything you need to start raising your set point and spiraling up through those resiliency pathways.

Jennifer: Oh, I love this so much. It sounds a lot like remembering what we were inherently born with and we’re learning, but we’re also remembering what we came into this life with. So, so beautiful.
Laurel, thank you so much for being here with me today. I know that we have hopefully helped a lot of people. We will put all of Laurel’s information in the show notes and I would encourage you, like, look, even if you are working with a coach or a therapist or somebody like this, like I would imagine EBT, you can do this in parallel with any work that you’re doing with a professional right now to speed up your results that you’re getting.

Dr. Lauren: What we recommend is please don’t stop any medications you’re taking and please continue with other therapies that you have. Everything can be helpful. However, unless you deal with the stress in your brain, in other words, your biochemistry and those drives, those methods are not going to be as effective or work as quickly. (What typically happens is people come in, keep everything the same. They bolt on EBT and it takes typically a little while for those chemicals to change and those, those wires to be rewired. But more and more, they end up finding that they don’t need the therapy so much. They don’t need the medication so much. And that’s what we’re after, a real solution that’s brain based.

Jennifer: I love it, I love real solutions. Fantastic, Laurel. Thank you, thank you for being here with me today, I know everybody got some great takeaways. You guys go check out Laurel, go check out ebt.org, sign up. It’s super affordable. Anybody can do this and that’s it. Thank you so much for being here with me today.

Dr. Lauren: Thank you. What a pleasure.

Jennifer: All right, that’s it, everybody. Get out there and have a happy, productive day, y’all. Bye.

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